<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>

<channel>
	<title>thedeadone.net &#187; sexism</title>
	<atom:link href="http://thedeadone.net/tag/sexism/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://thedeadone.net</link>
	<description>Welcome to the "other" side</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1</generator>
	<language>en</language>
			<item>
		<title>He versus She: Sexism in roleplaying games AGAIN!</title>
		<link>http://thedeadone.net/blog/he-versus-she-sexism-in-roleplaying-games-again/</link>
		<comments>http://thedeadone.net/blog/he-versus-she-sexism-in-roleplaying-games-again/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Blog]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[LiveJournal]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[roleplaying]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[sexism]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thedeadone.net/blog/he-versus-she-sexism-in-roleplaying-games-again/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[
I was reading Castle in the Air&#8217;s latest post: &#8216;“Chess for Girls” — What women want from games&#8217; and he mentions, in passing actually, that most roleplaying games have sexist language, the preference for &#8216;He&#8217; over &#8216;She&#8217;. I know, I kinda of wandered around this topic already (and here too on LJ)&#8230;. but&#8230; could someone [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><br />
I was reading <a HREF="http://castle-in-the-air.com/">Castle in the Air&#8217;s latest post: &#8216;“Chess for Girls” — What women want from games&#8217;</a> and he mentions, in passing actually, that most roleplaying games have sexist language, the preference for &#8216;He&#8217; over &#8216;She&#8217;. I know, I<a HREF="http://thedeadone.net/index.php?tag=sexism+roleplaying"> kinda of wandered around this topic already</a> (and <a HREF="http://community.livejournal.com/irishgaming/6557.html">here too on LJ</a>)&#8230;. but&#8230; could someone explain to me the problem with using &#8220;He&#8221; as a generic pronoun? I&#8217;m genuinely interested in an answer.</p>
<p>Until English has a common generic or singular gender-neutral pronoun, we seem to be stuck with a conundrum. If you use &#8220;She&#8221; explicitly in roleplaying games to say refer to the GM, is that being sort of sexist towards men as the use of &#8220;He&#8221; is sexist towards woman? If we switch equally between &#8220;He&#8221; and &#8220;She&#8221; in the text, I find that a bit disconcerting as a reader. Same goes for &#8220;it&#8221;, &#8220;they&#8221;, &#8220;s/he&#8221; etc. Though, to be correct, we should really use &#8220;they&#8221;.  I did find this <a HREF="http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=330">fascinating article</a> on the use of &#8220;they&#8221; as the neutral pronoun and how it was changed (by an act of law) to be &#8220;he&#8221; and how that was later abused by men using it literally, as a male pronoun, instead of how it was intended, as a gender-neutral pronoun. I guess that&#8217;s a good argument to avoid using &#8220;he&#8221; (or &#8220;she&#8221;) specifically in law and other technical documents.</p>
<p>I do a lot of technical documentation on my job, and when you write such documentation you try to avoid using gender-specific terms. You know, saying &#8220;It can be done&#8230;&#8221; instead of &#8220;He can&#8230;&#8221; but this reads as very boring formal text. Well, it is meant to be technical documentation. You can&#8217;t write a roleplaying game that way, can you? I mean, part of a roleplaying book&#8217;s purpose is just as much to entertain you as provide you with information about the setting and rules. If it fails to entertain, people won&#8217;t be interested in playing or buying more of your books. Is it possible to write gender-neutral (as opposed to say balanced) text and still entertain?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the best solution to all this?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thedeadone.net/blog/he-versus-she-sexism-in-roleplaying-games-again/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The dust settles&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://thedeadone.net/blog/the-dust-settles/</link>
		<comments>http://thedeadone.net/blog/the-dust-settles/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Blog]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[LiveJournal]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[roleplaying]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[sexism]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Spirit-of-the-Century]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thedeadone.net/blog/the-dust-settles/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[
I seem to be living in a time lag. It&#8217;s been a few days since the blog &#8220;fight&#8221; over sexism in roleplaying games kind of burned itself out and I&#8217;m only getting around to writing about it now. It ended like how all good  fights end: nobody really &#8220;won&#8221;, people ended up limping away [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><br />
I seem to be living in a time lag. It&#8217;s been a few days since <a href="http://thedeadone.net/blog/blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/">the blog &#8220;fight&#8221; over sexism in roleplaying games</a> kind of burned itself out and I&#8217;m only getting around to writing about it now. It ended like how all good  fights end: nobody really &#8220;won&#8221;, people ended up limping away and nobody hates each other.</p>
<p>I must say I felt sorry for Matt over at <a href="http://lategaming.com">lategaming.com</a>, because he <a href="http://www.lategaming.com/2007/03/03/117/">got called names by a feminist blogger and was described as an example of a chauvinist</a>! I also posted on <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/irishgaming/6557.html">Irish Gaming LiveJournal</a> and it got two responses, which pretty much says it is not an issue. Now, if I had critised a convention, the discussion would have exploded. (Admittedly I could have posted on &#8220;igaming&#8221; or the &#8220;irishgaming.com/forums&#8221; but I have to say not much real discussion goes on there any more and I really didn&#8217;t feel the need to push the issue that much). I guess it&#8217;s typical of our end of the &#8220;blogosphere&#8221; (that being <a href="http://thedeadone.net/blog/irish-online-gaming-community-zombie-or-something/">the Irish online gaming community</a>). People are more concerned with getting out and on with it and having a good time than if the wording of roleplaying books can be interrupted as sexist.</p>
<p>As an extended footnote, <a href="http://drivingblind.livejournal.com/">Fed Hicks</a>, one of the master-minds behind <a href="http://www.evilhat.com/">Evil Hat</a>, makers of Spirit of the Century, commented on my blog to tell me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Interestingly, it was that whole virtual flare up that (indirectly) lead to Bruce Baugh committing to write a supplement that tackles the issue head-on for Spirit of the Century.</p></blockquote>
<p>The supplement is called &#8220;New Horizons&#8221; which you can read about over on <a href="http://bruceb.livejournal.com/">Bruce&#8217;s LiveJournal page</a> (you can read specifically about New Horizons <a href="http://bruceb.livejournal.com/tag/new+horizons%3Cbr%3E%3C/a%3E">here</a>). It does sound like an interesting idea for a game, I must admit. I can&#8217;t, sadly, imagine getting my group to play it and I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d be mad into it either&#8230; but I&#8217;d really be tempted to get it anyway. I love those kind of books that full of information, laid out in a way that&#8217;s really useful for gaming and writing. Even if you never use it, it ends up inspiring you directly or indirectly. Let&#8217;s see how it goes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thedeadone.net/blog/the-dust-settles/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Blogfight: Sexism in Roleplaying Games?</title>
		<link>http://thedeadone.net/blog/blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/</link>
		<comments>http://thedeadone.net/blog/blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[Blog]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[LiveJournal]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[roleplaying]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[sexism]]></category>

		<category><![CDATA[Spirit-of-the-Century]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thedeadone.net/blog/blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[
I love this, an Irish gaming blogosphere &#8220;heated discussion&#8221;. I came across mer writes about roleplaying blog when she wrote about one of my articles on roleplaying. So I started to follow her blog&#8230; and then this post appears Spirit of the Century. Spirit of the Century is a Fate/Fudge based RPG that I&#8217;ve been [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><br />
I love this, an Irish gaming blogosphere &#8220;heated discussion&#8221;. I came across <a href="http://merwrites.wordpress.com/">mer writes about roleplaying</a> blog when she wrote about one of my articles on roleplaying. So I started to follow her blog&#8230; and then this post appears <a href="http://merwrites.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/spirit-of-the-century/">Spirit of the Century</a>. Spirit of the Century is a Fate/Fudge based RPG that I&#8217;ve been hearing lots of good words about. Mary was actually commenting on an LJ post (<a href="http://peaseblossom.livejournal.com/410229.html">here</a>) about it. </p>
<p>Now, in my mind, it&#8217;s a Fudge game. I haven&#8217;t read it, however I have read Fate and think it&#8217;s one of the best systems I&#8217;ve read. So I&#8217;m not surprised Spirit of the Century is well-liked. The issue the original LJ poster (<a href="http://peaseblossom.livejournal.com">peaseblossom</a>) has is that:</p>
<blockquote><p>The biggest hurdle for me is the list of character ideas, which starts on page 15, at the very beginning of the character creation section. Of the twelve basic ideas for characters, four of them (Gadget Guy, Gentleman Criminal, Jungle Lord, Man of Mystery) are specifically male, four of them (Academic, Operator, Primitive/Foreigner, Two-Fisted Pilot) are referred to exclusively by male pronouns, and the other four (Explorer, Plucky Reporter, Science Hero, Scientist) simply avoid pronouns altogether (and Science Hero uses as its sole example Doc Savage, a guy). I&#8217;m a bit gratified that there isn&#8217;t a Femme Fatale option (although, wait for it), but, would it have been so hard to come up with an example that would make me, a woman, excited to play the game? And don&#8217;t even get me started on the Primitive/Foreigner one; I mean, the fuck?</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-299"></span><br />
So basically there isn&#8217;t enough female archetypes in the game for her to get excited about. But wait&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Another thing that I semi-appreciated is the section at the very beginning of the book, entitled &#8216;Some Ugly Truths&#8217;. This section entreats the players of Spirit of the Century to be aware that sexism and racism happen in the source material, and should be addressed &#8220;in a way your group is comfortable with.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So the authors were trying to keep true to source material. One of the authors actually comments on the LJ page <a href="http://peaseblossom.livejournal.com/410229.html?thread=1753717#t1753717">here</a>. He says: </p>
<blockquote><p>A fair critique, there. Honestly, if anything, the reason these weren&#8217;t presented as Gadget Guy/Gal, Gentleman/Lady Criminal, yadda yadda was that the slashes looked really distracting and ugly. We should have varied it more, certainly, but decided to let that be something that played out in character examples. Sally Slick is a Gadget Gal. Claire Holloway is a Woman of Mystery. Etc.</p>
<p>Also note that the character types grew out of our actual play, with a mixed gender group of players, some of whom preferred to play male characters.</p></blockquote>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re also being selectively ignorant with your examples. You left out several very key illustrations of Sally in action. </p>
<p>One shows her rescuing Jet Black, who&#8217;s been chained to the face of Big Ben, in danger of getting pulled apart/crushed by the movement of the hands. </p>
<p>Another shows her outnumbered three to one by shadow men, as she swings her big wrench through the gut of one, cutting it in half.</p>
<p>A third shows her building gadgetry.</p>
<p>Which makes me say, uh, yeah&#8230; we sure made her look like a chump. I mean, she rescues men from danger, fights as well as or better than any of them, and builds crazy machinery. How dare we also show her needing a little rescuing (by the guy she has a crush on, no less), diving for safety, or being more alert than the bumbling guys she&#8217;s surrounded with!</p>
<p>Just to be clear, I&#8217;m totally on board with some of your complaints. You&#8217;re right; we didn&#8217;t put a heavy focus on making sure we did the gender balance act throughout the book, and that&#8217;s going to be offputting for some women. Then again, we had a female editor go over the book, and had the book proofread by my wife, and made one of our central, iconic characters a Rosie the Riveter-esque persona who was based on the player&#8217;s actual grandmother (whose real name was, in fact, Sally Slick). So if you want to suggest we didn&#8217;t make an honest effort to be pro-female, I&#8217;m gonna laugh at you. Good-naturedly, but I&#8217;ll laugh. <img src='http://thedeadone.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is a &#8220;non-issue&#8221;, a virtual flare-up, if you will. I know that I have a few female gamers who read my blog, are RPG games really so male biased? What kind elements of an RPG get you excited or inspired?</p>
<p>As a maturing male player, I genuinely like good female archetypes in the RPGs I read. Heck I sometimes like to play a female character, as long as it&#8217;s a <i>good</i> female character. I know it&#8217;s a predominantly male hobby, can&#8217;t escape that. The best game I know of that really included issues of racism and sexisms as part of the setting was Riddle of Steel where different regions had very different clashing cultures. You could build an equally interesting male and female sword-swinging that wasn&#8217;t a D&#038;D clone. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s <i>nice</i> to have a few good female roles/archetypes in games, as long as that is reasonable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sidetracked a bit, check out the title of this blog post: <a href="http://www.lategaming.com/2007/03/01/if-jesus-had-tits-would-you-believe-in-god/">If Jesus had tits, would you believe in God?</a> which is a direct response to Mary&#8217;s &#8220;Spirit of the Century&#8221; post (who was only agreeing with peaseblossom). My, my. I love it, not for the content per say&#8230; for the drama. <img src='http://thedeadone.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I would have commented on the post, rather than post myself about it but you have to register on their site! And as the Matt said in the post:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d have commented directly on Mary’s blog but…I’d have to register on wordpress.com for that and really I can’t be bothered.</p></blockquote>
<p>*shess* I find Matt&#8217;s post, simply an over-reaction. But hey thats the fun of the Internet! <img src='http://thedeadone.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> (And here I am commenting on flame war started by feminist thoughts on RPG&#8230;. isn&#8217;t it just grand!) His second follow-up: <a href="http://www.lategaming.com/2007/03/02/its-about-starting-conversations-with-new-people/">It’s about starting conversations with new people</a>, he tries to express again his annoyance about the issue. </p>
<blockquote><p>Some game companies are currently trying to market cute and fluffly and romance and “social” games to women which is utterly patronising.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seems like quite a reasonable point. So I ask the few female gamers (okay 2 maybe?) that read my blog again, are games like this patronising to women gamers?</p>
<p><b>Update #1:</b> I&#8217;ve opened up the discussion on <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/irishgaming/6557.html">LiveJournal&#8217;s irishgaming community</a>.</p>
<p><b>Update #2:</b> <a href="http://merwrites.wordpress.com/2007/03/02/re-blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/">Mary has replied on her blog</a>.</p>
<p><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thedeadone.net/blog/blogfight-sexism-in-roleplaying-games/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
